Talk:Conflux/Advanced Guide for Champion Selection

• Corrected spelling…
• I'm about to move all relevant information about the Gaze of Fate onto a special page.
  • This allows to give away the information that you can have an additional champion without having a direct spoiler.
  • This allows for a better Layout of the Emerald's description, and moves the spoiler away from the unique items page.
  • This allows to have less spoilers on the Oracle's place description page.
  • Therefore I've added an "Inactive Champion" chapter to this page
    • This is referenced at all relevant places where the maximum Champion number is of importance, not just once like before.
• Added the two remaining Champions of the Game: "Hero" and "Throm" from the Deathtrap Dungeon.
  • To do: describe those Champions on the Champions' page.
  • Chosing this path gives you fewer Champion choices (and thus fewer possible game endings) in the main part of Conflux, therefore I included the section here. Since a WIP004 version with accessible Deathtrap Dungeon exists, this is also not to be considered outdated information.
• More special abilities added:
  • Alex and Leyla can perform two special actions to obtain (relatively unimportant) items.
  • Informational abilities:
    • I took those from the Levels Notes, and verified that the texts still existed in 3.5B6 on the SCK site when unsure:
      • Zed and Nabi have informational texts not mentioned before.
      • Leif's informational ability added, he was listed, but without any text.
      • Tiggy, Stamm, Chani can also provide information, they were not listed before.
  • Changed "can cast" to "unlocks" for the special spells, because any party member can cast the spells after unlocking. I made two tests immediately after reincarnating the needed Champions:
    • Successfully pickpocketed a Giggler in the Room of Fate with Hero and Throm multiple times.
    • Successfully cast "Speed" with Hero and Throm.

--CHF 19:57, 5 November 2012 (CET)

The Emerald of Fate should have its own page for the reasons you listed.

Instead of adding Hero and Throm to the Champions page, it would probably be better to add them and their descriptions to a Death Trap Dungeon page.

Messages are not generally unique ablities.

Anyone can obtain the gems with a dagger in both places. Leyla may tell you about it, but the ability is not locked to her.

Same thing with Iaido's lockpicks and the Treasury. Any Champion can use the lockpicks on the SAR door (it won't open obviously) and then move to the Master Thief's prison and get the information message about having him open the door.

The boot of speed are locked to Alex Ander's character being there to open, so that is a special ability.

Zed's ability is to read all languages (runes (scrambled text) and pictographs) therefore the Moria reference was redundant.

I hadn't completed the Leif entry before I had to do other things.

I've removed Tiggy for now because that one message is not a special ability.

Only Stamm unlocks a door in the tomb of Balin and can read text found there and thus that is a special ability.

I left Chani with a spoiler text, but the the unlock for the worm invokation can be done by any Champion.

If you successfully pickpocketed, why didn't you update the Spell component necessary for the spell?

Phoenix 21:23, 5 November 2012 (CET)